Publicly funded haters (l to r): BishopAccountability's Phil Saviano, dissident Margery Eagan,
contingency lawyer Mitchell Garabedian, the Boston Globe's egomaniac Michael Rezendes,
and former Mass. AG Martha Coakley
It was 65 years ago when political thinker Peter Viereck first wrote, "Catholic-baiting is the anti-Semitism of the intellectuals."
That aphorism was fully ablaze the other night when the left-wing talk show Greater Boston, airing on Boston PBS television station WGBH, devoted a half hour under the pretense of discussing the death of Cardinal Bernard Law to brutally attacking the Catholic Church with ugly falsehoods and outright bigotry.
Greater Boston is hosted by Jim Braude, a veteran broadcaster whose thirst to attack the Catholic Church is only outweighed by his own sense of self-importance. And Braude made sure to round up a reliable stable of like-minded Church-bashers who would be sure to hammer the Church over decades-old sex abuse cases. Braude's panelists included:
- Church-suing lawyer Mitchell Garabedian;
- SNAP and BishopAccountability.org crank Phil Saviano;
- Boston Globe columnist and proud bigot Michael Rezendes;
- dissident "Catholic" Margery Eagan; and
- former Massachusetts Attorney General Martha Coakley.
Carnival barker/host Jim Braude
directs a bigoted assault
Yet the worst may have come from Garabedian, who, in addressing abuse in the Catholic Church decades ago, raged, "The Church has been doing this for centuries; they've been raping kids at a wholesale pace for centuries; it's a trillion dollar business."
After nearly 25 minutes more of this echo chamber of hate, Coakley unleashed a line which one could only imagine she had been waiting the entire episode to deliver: "This is an institution where they still dress as they did in the 15th century. So what do you expect?" Classy, eh? And this is from a former Attorney General, who is supposed to be fair and impartial.
Double … standard
Step back for a moment. Imagine if a guest on a television program had said that Muslims, Buddhists, or Jews had been "raping kids at a wholesale pace for centuries." Think about it. The rebuke would be rightfully fast and furious. The person who would utter such calumny would likely be fired and banished from mainstream media forever. The same applies for someone who would attack a religion because they "still dress as they did in the 15th century."
This is called "bigotry." But if the topic is the Catholic Church, it is only business as usual.
And the tragic irony here: You are forced to pay for all this through your tax dollars.
Continuing with my comment on ‘Dan’s of the 6th at 635PM:
And then, in a sudden head-gear switch from the Wig of Declamation and Denunciation to the Horned Helmet of Warning, he ceases to bleat and now belts out the bray of Warning: he’s simply “not sure how much longer [he is] going to put up with all [my] attacks”. Harrrrumph. The poor thing is close to a fit of the vapors, forsooth.
And thus doth he bray on to the end of the comment, “P.S.” included.
And a good thing too; the popcorn is running out. This performance of his is going to be a two-bagger.
On then and thus to ‘Dan’s of the 6th at 759PM:
Here the Scriptural Chanteuse Extraordinaire will consider a (very) few of the 11 counterpoints I raised. And in doing so will give us as nice a demonstration of somebody trying to “weasel out” of a hole he has dug for himself, or a series of holes, actually.
The performance opens with that ominous stentorian bray: “CATHOLICS”. Popcorn, please, and lots of it.
It wasn’t my intention to “prove” any of his points since his points were – not to put too fine a point on it – not provable.
He can’t really demonstrate anything, so he reverts to mere unsupported epithet, i.e. that I am “acting like [I am] the supreme catholic authority on the Bible”. I have some familiarity with Catholic thought, Biblical and Scriptural – I took some courses in college, but of course ‘Dan’ was advised by the entities in his bathroom mirror that he didn’t need no stinkin’ books so … what?
Any readers here are welcome to put up their own material on Catholic thought, especially if they think I have misrepresented it at any point.
No thank you, you've done perfectly fine representing catholic poppycock thought and theology.
Continuing with my comment on ‘Dan’s of the 6th at 759PM:
We were discussing the Church’s theology, and ‘Dan’ has already admitted that the Catholic Church does not appear anywhere in the Bible.
He apparently claims that Linus was not the immediate successor to Peter. Linus appears as such in all the lists; does ‘Dan’ have some other credible source that would disqualify that rather stupendous historical fact? He does not. He merely points out that the Linus in 2 Tim 4:21 is not – contra Irenaeus (about whom, we recall, ‘Dan’ can only come up with a scatological reference) – the same Linus as appears in the lists. If so (and it’s ‘Dan’ vs. Irenaeus here), so what? What’s his point?
And the only half-accurate bit in all of this is that ‘Dan’s ‘logic’ about his relatives sending him greetings is “RIDICULOUS!”.
My point was that nothing suggests that "Linus" was a pope or that he succeeded Peter, who wasn't a pope either. Peter had no higher status than any of the Apostles, and you could even argue that Paul played a greater role in the Christian church than Peter ever did, and wasn't one of the original Apostles. You have no Biblical proof of anything, and should take your catholic phony catechism and burn it, like your cult originally did to Bibles and those who made or distributed them. Bunch of cruel hypocrites, who haven't changed much at all. Now you just pick on weak innocent babies and children for your own sexual satisfaction. SICK!!
Continuing with my comment on ‘Dan’s of the 6th at 759PM:
Heading for the bottom of the barrel like a dive-bomber, ‘Dan’ then brings in – had you been waitttinggg forrr ittttttttttttttttttt? – his mother.
But wait. There’s more.
Somehow his dear mother “will assume into heaven”. If you think the grammar is whacky, consider the theological point he’s trying to make – and good luck with that. His mother will not – barring the direct intervention of God – “assume” or be assumed bodily into heaven. So what’s his point?
Then ‘Dan’ merely repeats his bit about “many scholars” (fundies and such) who don’t think the “woman clothed with the sun” who bore a male child – we went over this pericope at length on a recent thread – is Mary. Well, that doesn’t seem very probable, given the fact that the Book of Revelation was written after Christ ascended and Mary was very much a major figure in early Christian thought and – not to put too fine a point on it – history.
The "point" is once again you can't prove much of any of your cults' nonsense and ignorance, and for that matter yours either. Nothing but lies from compulsive liars. servant
Continuing with my comment on ‘Dan’s of the 6th at 759PM:
And surely if ‘Dan’ is going to bethump us here with his interpretative insistence that so many of the Old Testament pericopes he favors (against the Church) require serious dollops of his own ‘interpretation’, then he’s hardly in a position to bleat and bray about whether that “woman” in Revelation is Mary, or – interpretation alert! – merely a figure for the “church” / but not the Catholic Church / but instead some other pure church … and so on and so forth.
And – to repeat from a while back on this site – while the graves of this and that Apostle were known and reverenced, yet there was never any grave or burial site identified as Mary’s. If she died in the normal human fashion, such an oversight is so improbable as to defy rational historical acceptance.
You catholics worship and love death, gravesites and cemeteries. You can't find proof of Marys' grave, so you dream up lies to satisfy your false theories and fantasies. If all the Apostles gravesites were known and reverenced, that just might suggest that to the early church, Mary wasn't as important as idol-worshipping catholics would like to believe. Oh! The horror of it all! You've been depending on a false goddess for mercy, life and hope, and the followers of Christ could care less how she lived or where she died. Why? Because Mary had no importance in the salvation of our souls. Christ died for our sins. Mary was just the vessel God used to bring His Son into the world. Boy, that should shatter some catholic dreams, but it won't, because idolators are dead set on worshipping their idols. These are the lies that make the church rich, and they prefer the lies, over the riches of Christ. servant of the Lord
And by the way, death, graves and cemeteries also help make the church rich, along with schools, universities and hospitals. When will you catholics wake up to the greed of your religion of big business and politics, and lacking in God or Christ?
Continuing with my comment on ‘Dan’s of the 6th at 759PM:
As Revelations 12:1 has it, this “woman” was “clothed with the sun with the moon under her feet”. The only way one can achieve that geographical position is to be – not to put too fine a point on it – ‘above’ the moon and close enough to the sun to be “clothed with” it. That sounds like a street address somewhere in heaven or its immediate suburbs.
But no matter how one chooses to interpret it, it is – precisely – a matter of ‘interpretation’; whether one considers this “woman clothed with the sun” to be Mary or some metaphorical symbolic usage, it is ‘interpretation’ and ‘Dan’s “many scholars” can have theirs as the Church has its.
For Catholics the matter has been settled, of course. ‘Dan’ and whatever “many scholars” to whom he refers can proffer whatever speculative bits occur to them according to their lights. And good luck with that. But the Scriptural text cannot be claimed as ‘evidence’ that this “woman clothed with the sun” is not Mary, any more than so many of ‘Dan’s favorite (anti-Church) pericopes in the Old Testament can be assuredly demonstrated to refer to the Church.
And we're treated to more catholic poppycock theology and thought.
There are a few men in here who are riven with rage tp the point of blindness and whose rage has caused them to make claims that are woefully ignorant.
Here is a link to an epxlanation of Mary as Queen. All Catholics have done is bring to fruition the religion of God.
http://www.motherofallpeoples.com/2009/07/the-gebirah-our-advocating-queen-mother/
Many err in thinking there has been more than one religion when there has only ever been one reliigion- The religion of Jesus Christ- and which OT version of which was the one true religion that anticipated and waited on The Messias (over 300 biblical prophecies about Him). The old testamnet version did not have the completeness of revelation that new Israel (Cathoic Church) does but there has only ever been one religion (religion means bond with God and it was God who established it)
Hatred of math can not make 2 + 5 = 0 anymore than hatred of Jesus Christ can make His Catholic Church disappear but some men in here are so blind with hatred and rage that they think others will believe their cliams rather than pity their screeching.
Hey brain surgeon, fortunately you're a catholic, because publiar would criticize the heck out of your spelling, in order to make himself look more intelligent. You're lucky you're on the lying hypocrites side. In regards to your catholic website on the Queen Mary, I don't need any catholic proof or excuses for your idolatry. She's hardly mentioned in the New Testament and when she was, at times, it wasn't in a very good light. You should read the Bible instead of leaning on your catholic propaganda. Come to Christ and kick your ignorance of Mary to the curb. All adoration, veneration, reverence and worship of anyone besides God and His Christ is nothing but idolatry and amounts to lies from the devil himself. The catholic church never was and never will be the church of Christ. Do not be deceived! servant of the Lord
Here's some more truth. https://www.facebook.com/the.butterfly.effect.808/videos/1078987962202909/ Particularly for Dan. P wouldn't get it.
Sorry Jim. I'm not on facebook. No twitter. No skype. Had a question though. Is John Spong the bishop your talking about on a previous thread? Let me know.
Dan, see what you've caused! Now I have to go researching the old posts, which is time consuming. 4\13\14 2:31 am. Reunion. Already you lucked out, as my h.s. Is long gone! Still a golf outing, and a few other events.due to u.s. society's hatred of catholic schools, it closed.saw a picture of the "Jerry Garcia" teacher. See! Not all bad! Your "perp" too. He came close to admiration! Not all bad! Again, you lucked out being sent to Panama.( hope not too much "Panama red" while there!)
4\13\14 4:21 – agree with the economic assessment!
4\17\14 10:57 – Hollywood – you really put your foot in your mouth on that one! Look at it now!
4\14\14 – deleted! – many deletes in that thread! What can you expect Jim? You have to watch your spewing, as that's what happens! I've just come on this site, and am amazed at the amount of spewing towards me!
Pax Marty – your "p"c – marty
Dan, your h.s. Has survived , due , in part, to donations by tom Brady. Barry bonds, and Jim fregosi. Such a roster!
Also, 99% of students exceed the minimum course requirements set for admission to CSU and the U of C. So, even if you finished last, you had the minimum to get in. Grateful? Or no?
Pax Marty – your "p"c – marty
On then to JR’s of the 6th at 1146PM:
JR opens his most recent disquisition with “Blah blah blah”. Let’s see how much “blah” he himself is going to put up.
First, he tries the old “smokescreen” (to use one of his favorite terms) approach: he simply presumes that the “61% of Australian claiments of child religious sex abuse were against the Catholic church” (sic).
That may be, although given the fact that the Stampede Playbook requires that such “claimants” never be carefully examined, then what does this percentage really demonstrate? Surely last summer’s brouhaha against an Australian Cardinal – which has since disappeared from the news without (to the best of my knowledge) the prosecution ever providing the ‘evidence’ it claimed to possess – gives us a fine example of how the Playbook operates.
The Church may well be “in the news” because it became clear to many persons and interests Down Under that one might repeat the Stampede that garnered billions in the USA and elsewhere, i.e. that one simply had to find a tortie, launch an allegation and a claim, and wait for a settlement check in the mail. It worked for JR.
Continuing with my comment on JR’s of the 6th at 1146PM:
If memory serves, the Aussie government has released its final Report, which includes a number of recommended changes … to the Church’s theology as well as the demand that the secrecy of the confessional and of the Sacrament of Penance no longer be legally or theologically permissible. Thus that if you as a penitent confess sex-abuse then the confessor must – like doctors and nurses and psychiatric/psychological providers and a welter of other professional providers – report you to the authorities.
Thus the Aussie Report indicates an effort by secularists and anti-Catholic types to use the already dubious Stampede ‘sex abuse’ dynamic to rewrite Catholic praxis and even sacramental theology.
Thus whenever you get the stentorian bray from the likes of JR or other Abuseniks here that “That’s the facts” you are best advised to look very carefully before trying to drive that clunker of an assertion off the lot.
Continuing with my comment on JR’s of the 6th at 1146PM:
Then just more smarty stuff about “Roy Rogers” and such.
And the veiled violence of praying for my death. Charming. So content with his plop-tossy bits is JR that he doesn’t notice what he reveals about himself.
Then a repetition of an old self-exculpatory bit from JR to insinuate that the attorney (who rather impressively got his own claim included in the massive 500-plus plaintiff, 660 million dollar settlement case in LA back a decade or more ago) was “church provided”. And JR accepted the services of such a dubiously-connected attorney? And would it even have been professionally legitimate for an attorney somehow working for the Church to represent JR in a claim against the Church? As usual, JR’s stories don’t stand realistic examination.
But he remains quite unhappy that he had to pay money (apparently around 400K) to the tort attorney at all. I am reminded of Gilbert and Sullivan’s attorney-turned-judge in “Trial by Jury”: “It was managed by a job, and a good job too!”.
On then to JR’s of the 6th at 1158:
I haven’t tossed out unsubstantiated presumptions characterizing dynamics and topics under consideration here. Indeed, JR has complained that I write too much. But I explain the points I make, and I do so as completely as I can.
Thus I don’t merely ‘declare’ “something good or bad”. That’s what the Abuseniks prefer to do.
And his comment here concludes with more riffing along epithetical lines.
Oh, and this 70 year-old “still” doth “wish that [I] was dead”. A real mature charmer is JR.
On then to JR’s of the 8th at 1013AM:
As for his numbers and figures: they date back 20 years and more to a 1996 Uniform Crime Report and a 1997 DOJ document. This predates the Stampede by half a decade and more.
And even then they were only applicable to accusations of “forcible rape” in general (i.e. not including Catholic Stampede cases), which found that 8% of claims, upon investigation, were declared “unfounded”. (See the Wiki entry for ‘False Accusation of Rape’ for starters).
But that entry – again referring to that era’s claims – also states that “It is extremely difficult to assess the prevalence of false accusations” [i.e. of forcible rape] and “the true percentage [i.e. of false accusations] remains unknown”.
That Wiki article also notes that the FBI never repeated its estimate in Reports subsequent to 1995-1997.
Continuing with my comment on JR’s of the 8th at 1013AM:
And once you factor in the dynamics of the Stampede as it developed in the US after January 2002, then there is even more reason to disallow so lowball and estimate of false accusations. Regular readers here may recall that Federal Judge Schiltz opined (as I noted in comments quite a while ago) that over half of the claims in Catholic Abuse settlement cases over which he presided appeared false.
And I would also point out again that the larger percentage of Stampede claims did not actually claim “rape” (as it is traditionally defined and understood) at all. And that while many of the extant ‘rape’ studies are concerned with immediate claims (rather than ‘historical’ claims that are alleged to have happened years or even decades before) yet the Stampede is indeed primarily an episode of ‘historical’ claims going back years and even decades.
Thus, given the misleading and insufficient nature of JR’s “facts” and statistics here, the rest of his riff sits on a cloud of fog and nothing more. And thus too his concluding “end of story, TMR” bit remains nothing but a baseless and self-serving bray.
On then to JR’s of the 8th at 1048AM:
Here he demonstrates his chops by tossing up a Facebook post about hell having been “invented by St. Augustine”.
While the ancient Sumerians had a post-physical-death dark place where the souls of the dead dwelt, the Egyptian Middle-Kingdom vision was of a “lake of fire” presided over by the god Ammit, entry to which was determined by the post-death ‘weighing of the heart’ on the Scale of Maat. Greek thought called it Tartarus (and later Hades) and Hebrew thought called it Sheol (later Gehenna) and ancient Celtic thought called it Uffern, and there are Asian and African variants as well – all predating St. Augustine.
Publiar, I enjoyed your history lesson on the different pagan cultures and their belief in hell. It's probably wise for you to realize and assess where you'll be spending eternity, liar.
Oh! Yeah! Regular readers should recall your mentioning the unbiased opinion of a catholic federal judge, claiming "that over half of the claims in Catholic Abuse settlement cases over which he presided 'appeared' false". An "appeared false" opinion by a sympathetic catholic judge is a far cry from being false.
And the publiar follows that ignorance up with "many of the extant 'rape' studies are concerned with immediate claims", insinuating that "the Stampede is indeed primarily an episode of 'historical' claims going back years and even decades", so in his excusing and denying mind, these claims hold little validity.
You're going to once again claim that you don't try to minimize and make excuses for the disgusting pedophiles and pederasts of your cult. If there is any "cloud of fog" it's emanating from your daily fog machine. Quit your lying and deceivingly ignorant garbage, you compulsive liar.
Correction: above 2 posts should be addressed to Jim, not Dan.
Dan/Jim – just prayed a Divine Mercy Chaplet decade for both you! Pax, brothers!
Jim – I don't know….you sound like a hardline American atheist to me. Always talking about childhood beliefs. That's exactly what they do. Maybe you are one of their shills. Time will tell. But have been reading archives, as you know, so, we'll see.
Dan – glad you liked my time travel! More to come, possibly, have to see ,Dan, as I don't know yet how this site is monitored by others, who are not so friendly to the Church. Something for you to look forward to! Maybe. You must admit, Publion does come up with some good quips, like "popcorn, please!" And going to the bathroom mirror, for affirmation. I know Jim wishes he were dead, but eventually it comes to us all.
Jim – there's an old saying:"I'd sooner believe in God, and when I die, find out I was wrong, than not believe in God, and when I die, find out I was wrong".
Pax Marty – your "p"c – marty
I see your reseaching old posts. Check out what I just wrote 20 minutes ago on the previous article "Fact Check". Here I'll give you the line that happens to line up with your being impressed with publiars immaturity and toilet sarcasm. "How do you catholics defend and kiss the ass of a liar? Is there no honesty in your cult?" Apparently not! servant of Truth
Dan – just finished deliverance prayer for you and Jim! You have to get off the jack chick soapbox, and he has to get off the al Goldstein soapbox. Yes, I'm looking up old posts. It's great that Jesus cured you of your arthritis! It's the power of the Lord! Maybe He'll heal you in other ways. I believe in miricles too! There was a situation once , with the police reserve, where my life was saved, through the Church, not the reserve. But that's more time travel, maybe someday.
Publion is cool, calm, and collected, dissects what you and Jim says well. What can you say? He's not getting emotional, like you, me, or Jim. Wish I could do the same, but that's not me. His 3rd person replies, might be due to the fact that during an exorcism, you don't converse with the devil. I don't know.
I, for one, have purchased more microwave popcorn, and look at my bathroom mirror different. Didn't know it could have such power!
Pax Marty! – your "p"c- marty
On then to ‘Dan’s of the 8th at 1130PM:
Here ‘Dan’ tries – as so very often – to wiggle out of a hole he has dug for himself with this or that claim, accusation, and assertion.
Specifically, he claims that “nothing suggests that ‘Linus’ was a pope or that he succeeded Peter, who wasn’t a pope either”.
Let’s pass over quickly the fact that all the ancient lists of the Popes that we have name Peter as the first and Linus as his successor.
Continuing with my comment on ‘Dan’s of the 8th at 1130PM:
The deeper aspect of his stuff here is his claim that there were no Popes at all, starting with Peter and going all the way along through Linus (2nd) and on up through Miltiades (Pope during the reign of Constantine) and up to the present. None of them were Popes … ?
The basic historical whackness of his assertion is evident.
The deeper problem for him – to repeat yet again – is the theological whackness: we have Christ’s Great Commission to Peter, who would be “the rock” upon whom Jesus would “build [His] church”, including the power of the keys (to bind and loose sins). And ‘Dan’ has consistently (and slyly) avoided and evaded that profound problem that the Biblical text poses for his whole anti-religion/Catholic/Church project.
For ‘Dan’, of course, the only church is that of “True Christians” (ID card issued by ‘Dan’) and not any “man-made religion”. That pretty much covers all extant versions of Christianity and leaves just – had you been waittttttttttingggggggggg forrrrrrrrr ittttttttttttttttt? – ‘Dan’ and the wonderland crew in his bathroom mirror and perhaps anybody who might take ‘Dan’ for being the Mind and Mouth of God.
On then to ‘Dan’s of the 8th at 1152PM:
Mary “hardly mentioned” in the New Testament? But what ‘mentions’ they are: she’s visited by an angel – and the archangel Gabriel, to boot, whom “God sent” specifically to her – who announces that she is “highly favored” and would be the Mother of “the Son of the Most High” (Luke 1: 26-38).
This, surely, is not something that happens to the average human being. (But perhaps ‘Dan’s basic reliance on his frequent, if not daily, bathroom mirror apparitions have led him to think that this sort of thing happens a whole lot).
Or has ‘Dan’ not “read the Bible” – or at least not Luke’s Gospel … ? That actually wouldn’t be surprising; ‘Dan’s doesn’t like to deal with material that makes his own stuff look screwy.
And the rest of his comment trails off with more of his usual bleating and braying.
Read, if you can even read the Bible, in Luke 1, Marys Song of Praise, verses 46-55. It demonstrates Marys humility and she doesn't promote herself as the "Queen of Heaven" and other catholic lies. She states, "God my Savior", "God All-Powerful", "My Lord", "God has blessed me", "He cares for me" "He, He, He,etc.. Mary asks no one to pray to her, bow to her or Hail me! She never says pray the Rosary, Come to me your Mother of Mercy, our life, our sweetness and our hope. NO, these are all catholic lies that have changed the humble, sinful, once virgin Mary into the pagan catholic "Queen of Heaven", goddess of idolatry. Your church has lied and continues to lie to you, and changes humble, beautiful people of the Bible into horrible figures of idolatry.
"For there is no distinction: for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus ,,," Romans 3:22-24
How long will you let these lying charlatans misinterpret the Lords' Word and keep you from knowing the truth. They are evil personified and care nothing for your souls. servant
"Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you with speculation about what he has seen. Such a man is puffed up without basis by his unspiritual mind …" Colossians 2:18
So when you read the book of Luke, don't cherry pick what suits your puffed up unspiritual mind, but rather read the whole chapter in context, so you can really understand where Mary is coming from. Don't lean on these so-called visions of Mary (Lourdes, Fatima, Guadelupe, etc.), especially when the requests in these visions do not line up with Biblical Truths. Mary from the Bible will not appear telling you to repeat and babble a prayer to her, when the only ones you should pray to or worship is God and His Son, Jesus. How are you to know if these visions didn't come from Satan himself, for he was even given power to rain down fire from heaven.
"For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders that would deceive even the elect, if that were possible." Matthew 24:24
Catholics, do not allow these lying charlatans and false teachers, with all their puffed up visions and excitements over angels, trick you into adoring false gods or goddesses. Your Savior is Christ alone, and he is in no need of intercession or any co-mediatrix. If you think so then you're subtracting from the power of his sacrifice and the precious blood that was shed for your forgiveness is then null and void. Don't allow the devils deceivers to trick you into believing in a false gospel and not the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
And from JR on the 9th at 445PM we merely get another drive-by bit, again from Facebook, this time about “the butterfly effect”. Readers may consider it as they may, either for what it says about the butterfly effect or what it reveals about JR.
PubLIAR,
The 61.4% of claims against all Australian churches, are against the Austrailian catholic church are facts. Pretending they aren't is typical of your type of religious LIAR.
Marty, If God existed don't you think he'd tell you and the rest of us and not have some barely literate bronze age patriarchs scribbling nonsense as "proof" of his being?
If you only shut up about your faith and then died. Fine I'd have no problem but no it's worse. You want your beliefs taken as truth. Truth requires proof. you have no proof. You just believe.
I'm a shill for atheism? a shill? Jesus Marty you are so dumb it hurts me for you.
You're a shill for God. I never collected a dime for atheism. No donations required. Unlike religion.
Jim – thanks for being hurt for me! Well, I'm only "p"c, so what can you expect. You donate by paying taxes. Look at pbs. Have they helped the homeless? Orphans? Divorced? Drug addicts? Well, on and on. I'm hurt for you too! No, I don't want to lick rectums
Pax Marty – your "p"c – marty
Augustine gave Hell to Christianity. Like you give Hell to truth, Pliar.
Gee a corrupt Catholic judge. Amazing!
I am an atheist and? So what? Marty.
Jim – well, the so what, is that it's a religion of negativity. Just tear down. Many times, it's disciples have a life changing, unexplainable event in life, and are lucky they can come back to something. The something they tried to destroy. But they did much damage in the process. I have an atheist friend , who always makes sure , when I visit him, to see his latest negative, from freedom from religion to American atheist. You use your math "no proof = no belief = no God", but negative = not positive. Why not use your negativity ,and time ,to go after the pornography industry? It's an obscene click away for everyone! It destroys people. You'd be doing good fighting it.
Be safe, brother, with the mud in ca. if you're still there. I don't think it's near SF. Perhaps out of the bad, comes a good, as maybe it'll disrupt the "Capitol" of the porn industry. There was another s. Cal. ex-Catholic , frank Zappa, who made an albumn, "we're only in it for the money". You didn't comment about the "Panama red".
Pax Marty – your "p"c – marty
Wow! The FBI never claimed that figure after the '90's right about the time the Catholic church was being called out. How many retired FBI agents worked for the church in our investigations. Here's the trick Phole, Each victim claimed separately and not as a mass our abuses. We didn't organize to protect our lies, according to you, therefore we were all individually claimants who were as any claiment pre the late 90's and the FBI report. We were subject to the same demographics as the pre'90's report because each of us filed alone. In other words we didn't organize to sue we sued and were then "organized' ,really controlled, by SNAP and never acted as a group. All we weakly did as a group was demonstrate as a new scandal hit. We never organized to attack the church as victims. Remember. SNAP said we were just there to protect your Catholic children from being abused. That was our "attack." as a group.
I want you to die because trying to be logical with a propagandist is useless. You'll never quit lying here until you die. I want that to happen as quickly and as painfully as possible. juvenile I may be. 70 I surely am. Killing you would simply be a virtueous act.
Take your rosary beads and place them where the sun don't shine, Martin. They'll do you more good there than any place else. Pax vobiscum baby.
Well, I suppose you might remember in grammar school, we prayed for the conversion of the Soviet Union. Now look! Theyre a Christian society, far more than us!
Yes Marty death comes to us all including to the ArchBishops.
If there were a god, how do you think "he'd" judge them? Passing molesters to new innocent children with never a warning. That's what they did and why no one's on your side.
You may pretend we are liars doing it for money. We aren't liars. It happened. Why do you need to doubt us? Keeping the perfect faith alive in your breasts? You are the liars here and you don't care who you harm to do it.
We all pay in the end! I don't want to harm anyone, just try to defend the Church.
Pax Marty- your "p"c – marty
Marty all you have in Russia is the church as second in command with the state not Christianity.
Christianity was supposed to be about love and understanding. In Russia now, as everywhere, religion is about power and control and never about love and empathy.
You spend less than 20 cents a year on PBS if that. Why wouldn't you want to support the arts? They do more for the human mind and happiness and the general good than religion ever will.
Marty you say you are here to defend the church. No one's attacking it. We are simply calling out your criminals IN the church. They who hide in the church so that they can pretend the faith is under attack so you will protect them by confusing them and their crimes with your faith.
If you did the right thing and fired those who've betrayed your children and you. You would hear nothing but hossanahs. We victims would praise you; your sense of justice and do right corrective actions. But no this you will not do because you've swallowed the Kool-Aid. And that's your part in the continuation of these crimes against your own children and our families.
Oh I'm not "veiling" anything about my wanting you dead, Veronica. I'll gladly do it myself. All i need do is go to court with every lie and aspersion you've made about me here and no jury would condemn me. they'd thank me.
Now, now, you know he won't reply directly! Jesus said satan is a liar and a murderer from the beginning. The jury would not thank you.
You've probably set in motion to have you internet monitored ,with talk like that!
Pax Marty – your "p"c – marty
Dan, Yes Bishop Spong.
On the 10th JR says to Publion…"truth requires proof, you have not proof, you just believe". Well… believe is not entirely a leap of faith. Although when we do believe, faith and hope is needed. But in regard to proof, I just have to look at my neck and wrists, because can see I don't have chains. In the so-called "Glory that was Greece" we know that half the population were slaves. Ditto the Roman Empire that followed, The slaves had no more rights than a horse or a cow. The religion that Jesus gave us slowly freed us from slavery. There was no freeing of slaves without divine inspiration. The brave Spartacus failed….remember?
Sorry to inform you Malcolm, but you're still a slave to the lies of your false religion, and that is a far worse slavery than an earthly one. Unless you wake up and free yourself from your mental slavery, you will pay an eternal price and that I'm afraid will not be pretty.
"Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds." – Bob Marley – "Redemption Song" – Check it out. Pretty good message.
I am Spartacus, Marty.
Wage slavery exists today if you have a job or even if you don't. So let's not pretend it doesn't exist, and too American prisons are a continuation of slavery. In reality slavery transformed/morphed into the lie of a relative "liberty". as long as you can pay for everything you need. If you can not you are less free than those who can.
Excuse me my last response was meant for Malcolm.
My Death wish is reserved as always for for Pubic-Con.
Satan, Marty? Why did your God make a Hell? How could an all good all knowing all powerful God of Love make a place where people burn with out end? Does that make any sense to you? An all good God would never even think of Hell. Let alone create one.
Come to Christ and kick your ignorance of Mary to the curb. All adoration, veneration, reverence and worship of anyone besides God and His Christ is nothing but idolatry and amounts to lies from the devil himself
Dear Dan. Claiming Catholics worship Mary is a very old, and idiotic, charge that was answered by Saint Aughustine in "City of God."
He asked those making the charge to cite any Liturgical texts showimg is as worshippimg Mary. None existed then, none exist now, but that wil not stop hysterical barbarians like your own self from making hateful charges.
Other may have the time and patiencde to deal with your heresies and hatred but the New Testament teaches we Christians to mark as heretics and then avoid men like your own self.
Adios, Ace
"Grab your torches and pitchforks!" Lets boil his bones in hot oil or lets burn him at the stake. I'd like to say adios to all you goddess worshipping idolators. I'm the heretic for not agreeing with your idolatry? You guys are a joke.
Let's see – We pray to Mother Mary and we say HAIL MARY, full of grace!" We pray to God the Creator of heaven and earth and greet him with, "our father, who art in heaven." You don't hear the difference. One is exalted and worshipped and it's not the right one.
The Rosary – We pray 10 times to Mary, 1 time to God, 10 more times to Mary, 1 more time to God, etc.etc.. Now you give 10 times more prayer to a human being and 1/10th the amount of prayer to God who created you, and you're going to tell me you don't worship her. Are you kidding or have they so indoctrinated and brainwashed you that you don't know who you worship?
"And when you pray, do not babble on like pagans, for they think that by their many words they will be heard." Matthew 6:7
"But when you pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking." (KJV)
So Christs' words on the all important Sermon on the Mount says that if you pray the Rosary, repeating your prayers, then your a pagan or heathen. So deny your worship of her and pray to your virgin until the eyes pop out of your head and I'll boil them and make a stew out of you. Adios idiota!
Dan – is that supposed to be some Transylvanian type of mob all wearing Catholic school uniforms? Ijust finished a rosary, no pop out eyes, so no need for stew. What happens when the mirror cracks?
Pax Marty – your "p"c – marty
What if Mary had refused God's impregnation. She had no choice in the matter? Well we have a name for that. Was Jesus the child of a rape? And she was a child. Your God's morals need a makeover.
Come on, Jim, we're grasping at straws now? Mary was raped by God? "God's morals need a makeover"? I can think of a few people in this forum who could use a makeover. I haven't heard anything from your plans for humanity that sounds at all that inviting. Criticizing the "morals" of our perfect Creator? I guess from what we've gleaned from your morals, must give you every right to question God's.
Jesus said Satan was a murderer? He couldn't beat God. One tsunami = a quarter of a million people DEAD. Who's the bigger killer?
"Stop being afraid of those who kill the body but can't kill the soul. Instead, be afraid of the one who can destroy both body and soul in hell." Matthew 10:28
We know you don't accept that there is a hell or heaven. The catholic church didn't invent hell, because hell was described and mentioned in Old Testament writings.
"And they shall go out and look on the dead bodies of the men who have rebelled against Me. For their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh." Isaiah 66:24
On Jan 12th JR asks us to remember a catastrophic natural disaster… such as a tsunami that killed a quarter of a million people. He then blames all of this on God…..not nature, but God. His argument relies heavily on the failure of people to think. For example if he were correct, then it is also God's fault… when I walk under a palm tree… and a coconut falls on my head? Because both incidents, although different in magnitude, are both consequences of the natural world. What Christians are praying for is divine protection from the bad things in this world, whether natural or caused by people. But having said that, we know that bad things still happen to good people. This is a beyond our understanding, or maybe their suffering is to redeem their sins …or the sins of the world in general. Incidentally, in my own lifetime. medical science has been challenged by observed suffering, and been motivated to find cures. Maybe God wants man to progress using individual talents and inspiration. I think many of our inspirations come from God.
Marty I like you. You are whacky in a decent if goofy kind of way.
My wish for P's death took a long time coming. years of his dismissels and lies just added up to him being better off in the bosum of Abraham. Gay though that may be.
Pax unto you Marty. And since you aren't PC why do you claim p.c. in your sign out? Person of color?
Jim – well thanks Jim, it's too bad we're on different sides of the fence. You know, I'm not some "new rider of the purple sage" here to do "dirty business"! There is nothing wrong with art on pbs, but someday, they will try to pass off "piss Christ" as art, and put it on the airwaves. Watch and see, it might happen. In your 1/12/18 206pm post you stated I give .20 a year, but they can send it back to me. Their political agenda is anti Catholic.
You haven't been as virulent al Goldstein in the last few posts, so good. You know, my biological brother is homosexual. But that's more time travel. Maybe soon.
Last month finished reading "An Exorcist Tells His Story" – Gabriele Amorth. It's 25 yrs old but timeless. He's a knowledgable priest, that performed thousands of exorcisms. Good prayers in the back of the book.
I'm "p"c, due to your 1/4/18 1123pm post calling me "people's" clown, so…
Pax Marty – your "p"c – marty
On then to ‘Dan’s of the 10th at 135AM:
Faced with the historical problems with JR’s Facebook-based assertion (the 8th at 1048AM) that Augustine invented hell, ‘Dan’ merely seeks to evade with something about me “spending eternity” in “hell”. Tossing in the juvenile myah-myah epithetical “liar”, which is ‘Dan’s go-to myah-myah epithetical when he’s got nothing else.
On then to ‘Dan’s of the 10th at 212AM:
Here ‘Dan’ simply tosses up the only bit he’s got in regard to Federal Judge Schiltz’s assessment of the settlement cases over which he presided: since Judge Schiltz is a Catholic, he must therefore be dismissed as “sympathetic” and therefore, apparently, must be presumably untrustworthy.
Using ‘Dan’s own ‘logic’ here, then just about all –and perhaps all – of ‘Dan’s stuff must be presumably untrustworthy because ‘Dan’ is the head of a rival church, i.e. the church-of-‘Dan’-in-the-bathroom-mirror, to which ‘church’ ‘Dan’ is not only “sympathetic” but actually for which ‘Dan’ claims indisputable Divine warrant – as his bathroom mirror has assured him.
As to my point concerning the primarily “historical” nature of claims, ‘Dan’ merely quotes it, trying to wish-it-away epithetically as just more “ignorance”. If the crew in ‘Dan’s bathroom mirror is in any way supernatural, they are not interested in improving any of his capacities for logicical thinking; nor do they even provide him with a wider range of epithet.
And can ‘Dan’ demonstrate that the vast majority of these ‘historical’ cases are genuine and valid? He does not because he cannot. He has only his own self-serving presumptions, which his gameplan here requires him to accept as genuine prima facie.
On then to JR’s of the 10th at 149PM:
Opening, of course, with an epithet, JR merely claims that “61.4%” of the “claims” in Australia “are against the Australian catholic church” and that they are “facts”.
Again: the “claims” are “facts” only in the sense that they have indeed been lodged; but that does not make their content ‘factual’ – which is something else altogether. This is precisely the elision that the Stampede sought to amplify and establish as a knee-jerk presumption: if a “claim” is actually made, then its content is ipso facto actually “facts” or ‘factual’. This scam worked well enough for JR – though he resents the swag it cost him for an attorney to pull it off.
As to who is a “LIAR” (scream-caps retained) here … readers may judge as they will.
On then to JR’s of the 10th at 153PM:
Here – faced with the historical problems arising from his embrace of the Facebook Augustine-invented-hell bit – JR merely repeats his original junk accusation.
This gambit actually bears an interesting similarity to tortie advice to clients with dubious claims: if you’re questioned, just look dumb and innocent and repeat your claim.
It worked for JR back in the day. Not so much now.
On then to JR’s of the 10th at 211PM:
Here, faced with my points about the FBI reporting problems, JR instantly reverts to his old standby: insinuation.
Specifically, that somehow the FBI “never claimed the figure after the ‘90s” and this – had you been waitttingggg forrrrr itttttttttttttttt? – JR ties to an insinuation as to “ how many retired FBI agents worked for the church in our investigations”.
Where to begin?
Continuing with my comment on JR’s of the 10th at 211PM:
First, the FBI – as I said – only used those figures in the mid-1990s. But the Stampede didn’t begin until 2002.
Second, of what relevance would a (I only know of one) retired FBI agent be here? JR would prefer that you jump to the conclusions rather than expose his insinuation scam by saying so himself. Is the retired agent Catholic … and if so, so what?
The implied JR answer: Well, then you can’t trust him because … well, because all Catholics follow Rome’s instructions in everything … they’re all in cahoots, doncha see? But I would point out that by that same logic, the allegants were in cahoots – under the guidance of the overall tortie strategy … so how can you trust them?
Was JR’s hugely dubious case (we recall it took a lot of extra money and effort to get his claim shoehorned into the big LA settlement) investigated by an FBI agent or retired agent? What difference would it have made, given the necessity of the Archdiocese going along with its insurers’ classic settle-rather-than-contest strategy?
Continuing with my comment on JR’s of the 10th at 211PM:
Then a bit about “each victim claimed separately and not as a mass”. By the time a) the press had widely-publicized what I call the Stampede while effectively inviting any and all comers to try their luck and b) the individual claims had been run through the well-oiled machine of the classic tortie lawsuit strategy … they were all wrapped like individual chunks of meat into the great sausages of multiple-plaintiff lawsuits.
JR then – it’s hard to follow his train of thought here – tries to make the point that in his own case he tried to do something “pre the late 90s”. Regular readers may recall JR’s doubt-inducing ‘explanations’ of how his claimed legal efforts in the early 1990s or whenever back then didn’t work.
As to all of them being “individually claimants” … when the surf is up, people who like to surf may “individually” decide to toss their boards in the water and declare Kowabunga but that doesn’t mean that the possibilities offered by high surf didn’t inspire each of them in a similar way. The surf enables the surfers; the surfers don’t enable the surf.
Continuing with my comment on JR’s of the 10th at 211PM:
His reasoning and grammar in the middle of the comment do – clearly – confuse, but then he gets beyond that by – had you been waitttinggggg forrrr itttt? – getting to one of his favorite bits: all of the potential allegants sued first and only then “were controlled by SNAP”.
This bit seems to be going for the idea that all these “individuals” first initiated their own lawsuits and then and only then did they go to SNAP where they were – but of course – “controlled by SNAP”. This torturous time-line makes little if any sense at all. Why go to SNAP if you were already engaged in a lawsuit?
And who doubts that – whatever the timeline – SNAP was an indentured agent of the torties (through Blaine’s meeting with Anderson) and “organized” the allegants to provide warm bodies for its salad-days demonstrations?
As always, the more JR tries to ‘explain’ the more questions his stuff raises.
Because our lawyers told us to go to SNAP meetings. I have told your lying ass that a hundred times.
Continuing with my comment on JR’s of the 10th at 211PM:
But wait. There’s more.
JR doth then claim that he “wants [me] to die” … because – doncha see? – “trying to be logical with a propagandist is useless” (tell me about it).
This would presume that b) I am a “propagandist” and even more that a) JR’s sleazy hash of a presentation here is “logical”. Readers may consider and judge as they will.
And then – and I do have to doff my hat in acknowledgement of a performance bordering on the masterful – JR doth don his fetching Wig of Total Innocence, in order to intone the aria Juvenile I May Be.
Although – alas – whatever sympathetic image that bleat-fully intoned aria might elicit is rather largely dispelled as he quickly dons Horned Helmet and Spear; thus fortified, the Horned Chanteuse then doth suddenly level the Spear at me personally and bray that “Killing you would simply be a virtueous [sic] act”.
JR not only can’t spell ‘virtuous’ but also appears rather unclear about its essence in the first place.
But he likes to think of himself as virtuous. Oh my yes indeedy. As Margaret Rutherford’s marvelous Miss Marple would gently purr: “That must console you”.
Thus to JR’s of the 10th at 232PM:
Still brandishing the Spear, JR then goes on a riffy self-indulgence about killing me because … and so on.
What, Dear Readers … ? Did we think we weren’t dealing with this type of individual from the get-go?
Nor, one might well imagine, is this the first time in his life JR figured he could put something over on a court.
Hey idiots ever think that at the very least 92% of our claims were real?(According to the FBI) Events that really happened? No you can not think that way. you are the true victims and we are all liars. Well I wish we were all liars out to rob you.That nothing had ever happened to the vast majority of us and we had all robbed the sacred money of the bestests of all faiths but what happened did happen. And you fools are pretending it didn't so that you can be the injured party. The rapists blaming the raped. If there only was a real Hell you lot deserve it's flambe but it's not real just like your false assertions aren't real. What's wrong with hating liars or child molestors who happen to be Catholic and happened to use their clerical positions to reek even more havoc on their injured? Why wouldn't you hate that kind of Catholic?Morally you should be repulsed but you're not. Why exactly is that?
On then to ‘Dan’s of the 11th at 1212AM:
Passing quickly over ‘Dan’s silly and childish “if you can even read the Bible” bit we get to the pericope ‘Dan’ has selected: Luke 1:46-55, often referred to as the Canticle of Mary.
At first reading, one might well wonder if ‘Dan’ had put up the wrong pericope; the Canticle pretty much wrecks his prior brays about Mary being a Catholic goddess. But then it might dawn that ‘Dan’ can see only what he wants to see, even if the contradictions are staring him in the face.
Thus, Mary here refers to “God, my savior” and refers to herself as God’s “handmaid” and a bit further on that “the Mighty One has done great things for me” … these are not the words of a divinity, but rather of a human highly-favored by God (as the archangel Gabriel would tell her).
Yet she quickly adds that “henceforth all generations will call me blessed”. Which is very much exactly how the Church and Catholics view her.
We can thus let ‘Dan’ babble on with his usual ranting talking-points, apparently completely unaware of what he has unleashed against his own agenda with his selection of this pericope.
On then to ‘Dan’s of the 11th at 1103AM:
Here, faced with Scriptural texts that confound his preferred agenda, ‘Dan’ – as so often – brays against those who would “cherry pick” among Scripture.
This bit of posturing fails.
First, a pericope is – not to put too fine a point on it – “in the Bible”, as the fundies like to say (when it suits them). Do some pericopes not promote one’s preferred claims or do some pericopes even confound one’s preferred claims? But yet they are all right there “in the Bible”. What’s an agenda-driven ‘Bible-based’ kinda guy to do? Eazy-peezy: claim that you have gone and ‘cherry picked’.
But second, doesn’t ‘Dan’ do a great deal of ‘cherry picking’ on his own? And then lards onto his own pericopes interpretations that cannot comport with the text, so that he then has to go and invent a “prophecy” from God to try and make the Bible text do what he wants it to do even though the text actually doesn’t do it … ?
That’s his game. That’s his scam.
Continuing with my comment on ‘Dan’s of the 11th at 1103AM:
And then – with sublime lack of self-awareness from a “prophecy”-inventor such as himself – he adjures readers not to “lean on these so-called visions of Mary”, moving historically to various manifestations such as Lourdes and so forth.
What? We are to “lean on” ‘Dan’s ranty bits but not on experiences witnessed by numerous human beings such as Fatima or the many healings at Lourdes that even non-Catholic doctors have pronounced medically impossible … ?
And of course, those “Biblical Truths” ‘Dan’ likes to point to are merely his own ranty bits and takes on the pericopes he likes to “cherry pick” from Scripture for his own agenda.
And who doth “babble” here?
And then – with a further sublime lack of self-awareness – ‘Dan’ doth inveigh against “false prophets” … really, now. Has he not just recently finished delivering precisely such an example of a “prophecy” on this site?
publiar, your deceitfulness is reaching new heights. I've explained in detail how the catholic church has idolized Mary, making her a "false Christ". The cults claims that Mary was immaculately conceived and has never sinned, you bow and "babble" prayer to her, Assumed into Heaven, and you believe she is your source of mercy, life, sweetness and hope. With these catholic teachings, you have replaced Jesus Christ with a false version of a savior, even naming her your pagan goddess, "Queen of Heaven".
According to the verse, Matthew 24:24, Christ says, "For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders that would deceive even the elect, if that were possible." Knowing this, your catholic version of Mary, as a "false Christ" would have the power to perform great signs and wonders (miracles). So Fatima, Lourdes, Padre Pio and all the rest of your false visions and visionaries can easily be explained as being done by Satans' power and not from God at all. Thus even "non-catholic doctors" would pronounce these phenomenon as "medically impossible", that doesn't mean they didn't come from the power of evil. Have you not witnessed the false christian TV ministers, claiming to slay in the Spirit and heal people of all illnesses. Since you claim the catholic church as the One True Church, then how do you explain how their miracle power exists. All of you, charlatans, deceiving evil personified.
Continuing with my comment on ‘Dan’s of the 11th at 1103AM:
And then – with a further sublime lack of self-awareness – he tries to bring his performance home by instructing “Catholics” (thanks for the capitalization, for a change) not to “allow these lying charlatans and false teachers” and so forth.
He then wades into actual theological assertion (never a good idea for ‘Dan’ with only his pile of 3x5s and the acclamations he intuits from his bathroom mirror). Thus the conclusion (dear to some fundies) that if you accept Mary as an intercessor then you render Christ’s sacrifice “null and void” – no human being can effect such a result.
Mary’s role is God’s acknowledgement of the tremendous sacrifices Mary made in faith a) accepting Gabriel’s words and b) watching her only son – God’s Son – die so horribly. She, as human, retained her faith – when even Christ on the Cross wondered if His Father had not forsaken Him – and stands today as a human intercessor whom a human might approach more easily than Christ or the awesome Father Himself.
All of this appears, of course, utterly unnecessary to ‘Dan’, since it is actually ‘Dan’ who considers himself the one oh-so-speshully favored, as his bathroom mirror has assured him. ‘Dan’s jealousy towards what he apparently sees as his ‘rival’ Mary … is what it is.
With more deceit, now you wish to claim that Mary "retained her faith", when even Christs' faith wavered, and she "stands today as a human intercessor whom a human might approach more easily than Christ or the awesome Father Himself". I would imagine this to be true for catholic cowards, sexual pedophiles and perverts and habitual liars like yourself, too chicken and obviously guilty to face the "awesome Father". Mary is dead and waiting for her Judgment Day, so if you prefer praying to the dead or asking the dead for help, then so be it.
As if the deceiver hasn't lied enough, now he wants to claim my "jealousy" of my " 'rival' Mary". I have absolutely no "jealousy" of the idolatry of catholic Mary, nor any "jealousy" of any catholics idolaters. I can only sympathize with all the ignorance of your cults' habitual lies and liars. Time to slither back down into your rabbit hole, you lying accusing snake. servant
Liked Publion's comment on the 12th at 2.O2pm. Partcularly when he said that the surf enables the surfers… the surfers don't make the surf. And when the surf is up, the individual surfers get the same idea, to go ride the waves. Sums up the the pile-on phenomenon rather well. And that particular PBS program, recently, that enabled the Catholic haters to pour their vitriol, was an attempt to create more surf. Just like those old primitive witch-doctors doing a rain dance to bring about abundant harvests. But I'm kinda hoping that this is like a last hurrah.
Malcolm – yes, but some of their problems are that not all have waxed their board well, and will suffer the consequence. But they're still all out to "hang 10".
Pax Marty – marty
Malcolm You lve in Australia where a multi-year investigation of institutional sex abuse has just ended. The figures please for the amount of "surfers"who went against the Catholic church as compared to the Anglican or Jehovah's Witnesses? Just tell the truth. And if you could give percentile of Catholics in Australia overall. Even though I I know you think all claims are fake. There has been a hearing publicly chaired by your fellow citizens and what did they have to say? You know if your church hadn't enabled perpetrators and protected them you wouldn't be in this position. You just can't seem to do the right thing. And the cherry on top of your horror shake is to blame us victims and brand us as liars. You are from my POV extraordinary. Then you add P-hole with his evil crap and I think: Why? Why would people behave so badly?
Dan you cling to your faith it's working so well for you. I'm sorry you are so alone.
Oh yeah! publiars analogy of the surf was terrific. Let's see God's analogy describing the sex abuse crimes of your cult's priests against innocent children, using water in His description:
"But the wicked are like the tossing sea; for it cannot be quiet, and it's waters toss up mire and dirt." Isaiah 57:20
"These men are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. 2 Peter 2:17
"They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their own shame; wandering stars, for whom the blackest darkness has been reserved forever." Jude 1:13
"Woe to the wicked! It will go badly with him, For what he deserves will be done to him." Isaiah 3:11
When will you catholics quit being impressed and puffed up with the ignorance of lying man and listen to God's Word, repent and be truly remorseful, and maybe you'll have the chance of being forgiven. Your cult is way past any chance of forgiveness and if you keep defending their disgusting sins, you will go down with the ship. Excuse the pun. servant of the One True God
Jim, why do you think I'm so alone? You're listening to the lies of publiar in regards to me? I'm far from alone Jim. I have more friends than I've ever have had in my life, just happens I've gained more enemies from all these false religions of hypocrisy. Funny thing is they look at me as an enemy, because they're too brainwashed to realize that I'm really here to help them. Sad how Satan can truly blind the eyes, deafen the ears and keep them from knowing and coming to God's truth. servant of the One and Only True God
And many strive to be a Honolulu lulu, as "queen of the surfer girls" , and are not satisfied with "surfin u.s.a"
Dan – it's good to see you getting off the jack chick soapbox now and then.
1/12/18 11:55am , 1/12/18 1205 pm, shows you trying to be decent. You know your mention of "Catholic "poppycock"theology" includes poppycock, a higher calorie popcorn, almond with glaze. Best is artificial butter.
Pax Marty – your "p"c – marty